Smogon ou viability reddit Zapdos is definitely limited in terms of progress pushing in a tier with Ting Lu, Raging Bolt, Gliscor, and Slowking-Galar all being solid. Feb 23, 2021 · I find it odd that Lapras is featured on your list of "Other Threats", since not every single OU Pokemon is there. You can sort of see its influence with the rest of the top of the viability rankings. Articles have been releasing slowly over time. nothing replaces exeggutor though. Dec 5, 2024 · VR Art by Gravity Monkey Viability Rankings Welcome to the first edition of the Generation 9 National Dex Viability Rankings! In this thread, we as a community, overlooked by a unique council, will attempt to rank every viable Pokemon in various ranks. Nov 25, 2019 · ~ base form alakazam is now a quite usable revenge killer, with an excellent speed tier, and teams lacking specific checks dont switch in very well either. Dec 17, 2017 · Welcome to the official ORAS OU Viability Rankings thread. " In this thread, you're encouraged to post your thoughts and opinions on the various Pokemon that are usable in DPP OU and what tier they should fall under. Put him in this meme >:( Mar 25, 2014 · wasnt advocating curse as the top set, the point was more that it has multiple routes to threaten with whereas cune is almost always some variant of CM. Sure, the Boots were a huge buff to Heat and Fire is a solid defensive typing, but I don’t think anybody expected it to be four full ranks above Wash at the beginning of Aug 11, 2020 · Welcome to the BW OU Viability Ranking thread. I've offered an explanation for all of the top metagame pokemon down to A- being where they are right now, except for TTar since there appears to be no contention it is 1st. Mar 25, 2014 · The facts are these, 1. r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion for Pokémon VGC, Smogon… 206K subscribers in the stunfisk community. breloom took a heavy hit from sleep getting banned and was hardly any good in OU even when it had spore. Per results, the RBY OU/UU Cutoff will be AFTER "C1" and Jolteon, Slowbro, and Victreebel will be OU. May 14, 2016 · Lapras is simply not on par with that and the viability rankings should reflect it. After calculating the average ranking for each Pokemon, I assigned a number to them and compared it to the current VR's ranking. The reason for this is basically that I don't think it's good to fill the VR with some mons that have almost 0 usage through tours, mainly because the VR should be a tool for new players to get a better grasp of the metagame and putting 25 mons there won't help. Is there any niche fore Paldea-Blaze in ou? I used it in a few teams when I first started playing and actually found it pretty useful. it's the closest thing we have to Fini in gen 9, with a very good special stats, a pivot move, strong stabs, and very nice resistances (most notably Fire, Water, Fighting, Dragon, Dark). r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion… People on smogon forums vehemently raged so much against dropping darkrai. The only meaningful way in which Quaquaval is merely underused relative to the OU tier is the fact that UU sees fewer matches played than OU. Slither Wing, Sandy Shocks, Pawmot, Hawlucha, Gallade, and Masquerain all have potential uses in OU HO, but they tend to have more drawbacks than the OU mons in the "really good" tier. - -Sooo Yama's viability has taken a nose dive recently, and those stats from this years revival tourny don't help it either. I worked on an Excel Sheet that gauges out viability based on Pokemon usage in tours, specifically the BW PL, RoAPL, and Monai's Invitational this year. Welcome to the GSC Viability Rankings topic! In this thread, we as a community will rank every single usable Pokemon into Jan 9, 2024 · In this thread, we, as a community, will be ranking every single justifiably usable Pokemon into "tiers" ranking their viability in the metagame. There are a few rules here that will explain how things will work around here: 1. r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion for Pokémon VGC, Smogon… Mar 25, 2014 · DPP OU is a variance madhouse tier, movies are art in the same way fast food chains are world renowned restaurants, and Hariyama is not very good in ADV OU. These Pokemon are justified for very specific roles in the meta-game for very select teams. Jun 19, 2022 · 110 speed also makes it the 3rd fastest viable Pokemon listed as OU, and it pairs up well with Rain since it makes its Surfs hit harder. +1 Tyranitar 2. Viability of Bulky Offense Take a moment to read the Introduction to Smogon for a run-down on everything Smogon, and make sure you take some time to read the global rules. it can get more bulk out of its stats, even without thick fat, and whirlwind and knock off are pretty decent utility moves (since neither one can really sweep or kill much anyway esp w celebi, starmie, gengar, zapdos, claydol and mence Plus, a pokemon doesn't have to make it to OU to be viable. If B- was chosen in the past because Slowbro was there, then the re-tiering of Slowbro risks its exclusion from the policy that was meant for itself in the first place. r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion… r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion for Pokémon VGC, Smogon, and all other battle formats. Smogon also lists it as one of the “defensive OU” threats Edit: stats from Gamefaqs 99 votes, 53 comments. The biggest surprise for me was probably Clefable dropping out of S tier. shadow ball 2hkos mew and starmie, and obv gengar is also outsped and forced out. Mar 25, 2014 · Gently and respectfully, I think this misses the real reasons that Starmie isn't the best mon in the tier. " In this thread, you're encouraged to post your thoughts and opinions on the various Pokemon that are usable in ORAS OU and what tier they should fall under. 185 votes, 64 comments. 552 votes, 39 comments. Obviously, usage does not always correlate with viability, but Weezing is a Pokémon that has exceptionally low usage. Jan 9, 2024 · In this thread, we, as a community, will be ranking every single justifiably usable Pokemon into "tiers" ranking their viability in the metagame. forre can set spikes on regice if regice is without hp fire. We are not yet ready to have the viability rankings up, but there is demand for a viability list that people can use as a threat list to use to weigh their options for teambuilding purposes, so the OU Moderator team decided to come up with a list of viable Pokemon given our initial experience in the metagame. Want to contribute? Drop it here on Stunfisk! Feb 13, 2024 · r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion for Pokémon VGC, Smogon, and all other battle formats. The floor will always be open to discussion, and after a period of time (roughly every month), the viability rankings council will vote on any of the Pokemon being discussed and post the results and reasoning here. I just googled June 2011 usage stats (first find). If a Pokemon is in the official OU Viability Ranking list, regardless of how bad it is, then that Pokemon is going to be on this list as well. You should know the drill by now; In this thread, we as a community will rank every single usable Pokemon into "tiers. U-Turn wouldn’t be half bad either, but I don’t think folks realize just how huge of an upgrade these moves would be for a mon that has Stone Edge as its best option for one of its STABs and Wing Attack for the other. basically i think lax is the more versatile threat. More common Pokemon such as Gengar, Cloyster and Jolteon are omitted. great stats, sleep, para, explosion, the safest (only 100% reliable) OU switchin for rhydon and golem, and a 16 votes, 20 comments. We are currently at the onset of the Grand Dead Period for the tier, post-Callous Invitational and pre-SPL. Also, low usage does not mean a mon is unexplored. Rhydon debate has been beaten to death and fact is that despite Golem beating Rhydon in a 1v1 & Golem having access to Explosion, Rhydon is the better Pokemon as it is able to perform better vs. I'm not extremely experienced with the meta game, so I'm wondering what the positives and negatives are of different ones, and what sort of teams could generally work around them. May 6, 2023 · You would have to put over 400 pokemon in F rank then. Aug 11, 2020 · Hello, fellow BWers. After breaking into the Smogon HQ I found the list of Finchinator's favorite pokemon on an encrypted server. -1 Latios A+: 3. What teams and styles should be included was also a group discussion by BW community. 193K subscribers in the stunfisk community. With far fewer games turning into 200 turn grindfests, Hariyama has less to offer. This Subreddit focuses specially on the JumpChain CYOA, where the 'Jumpers' travel across the multiverse visiting both fictional and original worlds in a series of 'Choose your own adventure' templates, each carrying on to the next Jun 7, 2023 · Hello everyone and welcome to the Post-HOME Viability List! We are not yet ready to have the fully-fledged viability rankings up with so many developments happening so quickly, including potential bans. Let's Mar 25, 2014 · Some Thoughts. 198K subscribers in the stunfisk community. 196K subscribers in the stunfisk community. 45% 142 votes, 26 comments. Mar 26, 2014 · ~GSC Viability Rankings~ Hey all the other gens were doing it so I decided to post one for GSC too. r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, articles, analyses, and competitive… The Definitive ADV Viability Rankings, by UD Hi all! I feel like this is as good a time as any to update the ADV VR. 2. com/forums/threads/sv-ou 48 votes, 14 comments. Hell, if you just go to the first few pages of this thread, you have many users arguing for Camerupt to be B tier. In this thread, we as a community will rank every single usable Pokemon into "tiers. r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion… Mar 25, 2014 · i agree that gardevoir has some viability for teams that can't afford p2 giving blissey the freeest soft boiled or for teams that like to maintain a more offensive approach. having to rely on a 75% accuracy sleep move really puts a dent in the viability though. Either add the rest of OU or replace Lapras with those three, imo. The biggest shock to me is that thundy-i. Reserved for Pokemon that hold a very low amount of viability. Want to contribute? Drop it here on Stunfisk!. its heavily centered around offence and that tends to generally make it more matchup fish than usual. The moderators of this forum are Estarossa , Skypenguin , and zinnias . In this thread, we as a community will rank every Pokemon's usable set into which tier of the viability ranking they individually fall under. Jan 23, 2021 · Well, the BW OU sample set was just reviewed and updated recently with top players such as Finchinator, BKC, and Caetano93 reviewing/Qc'ing the final set. 04. Infernape and Starmie are no longer OU top tiers; Rotom has lost some of its power r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion for Pokémon VGC, Smogon, and all other battle formats. while it might look decent on paper in Mar 25, 2014 · arguments for banning sleep in adv ou have been made many times by many people across smogon forums. With this said, there is demand for a viability list that people can use as a threat list to use to weigh their options for teambuilding purposes. even if I don't like the gen 8 meta too much I really appreciate how tiering has been handled overall this gen, moreso as it's gone on and The title of the GOAT mon in Smogon's OU competitive history is a longly discussed topic, and everyone's got their own criteria. Magneton has been ranked by almost everyone. Are there any non Cloyster teams that would appreciate Jolteons positives over Zapdos (fastest relevant Pokèmon, amazing crit rate, checking Zap, having an easier time breaking Jan 9, 2024 · For a frame of reference, Moltres is 3% more common in monthly usage and 4% more common over the recent Smogon Championship League in SV OU. Mar 15, 2021 · Welcome to the official SS OU Sets Viability Rankings. That mon is still really, really good and I haven't been hearing much talk about it getting less good recently, so the drop was kind of out of left field for me. " In this thread, you're encouraged to post your thoughts and opinions on the various Pokemon that are usable in OU and what tier they should fall A+: Rotom-H A-: Rotom-M B: Rotom-W It’s so weird that gen 8 has turned Rotom-W, which was the best Rotom form by a wide margin for three consecutive generations, into a sub-par pick compared to Rotom-H and even Rotom-M. Those other two S rank Pokemon would be great regardless but part of what makes them so good is their ability to check Latios. While it is true that GSC OU is all stall, this tier isn't. It feels harder to fit Tyranitar on teams more than ever with the competition for slots. This thread contains a ranking of every viable Pokemon, separated in tiers to indicate power gaps. Tyranitar > Skarmory. r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion for Pokémon VGC, Smogon… Mar 25, 2014 · I think perish trap with sleep is extremely effective at removing special walls. Smogon tiers are usage based, so no need to put anything on VR except for ones that have any niche Dec 3, 2023 · r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion for Pokémon VGC, Smogon, and all other battle formats. Jan 9, 2024 · Well done viability list. In this thread, we as a community will be ranking every single usable Pokemon into "tiers. Doubles OU and the interesting quandary created by Smogon's Tiering Policy r/LegendsOfRuneterra • Mobalytics Anti-Meta Report - 19. r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion for Pokémon VGC, Smogon… Nov 17, 2022 · Usually all the mons on the low tiers are voted, but still I'm gonna nom some of them to UR. Scizor's got good stats and a great type combo, so even though it isn't like, an auto include in OU its still very usable. I really, really want to encourage you to keep thinking about takes like this- it's a part of what makes learning the game so fun and rewarding. Usually though, that kind of niche isn't big enough to give it the kind of usage it would need to rise up a tier. Quaquaval has a very poor D viability ranking in OU. Some value more things than others, some only have one option and refuse to discuss others, but most recognize that it can be a fairly nuanced topic with a lot to think about, not just in Pokemon, but in all GOAT debates. Lack of Toxic is also critical, it might not be tera-reliant if it gets toxic back. Apr 1, 2020 · although usage stats don't mean much, nobody uses it in this spl and wcop 2019 and it's the only OU mon that ranks C in viability. But teams that want weather gone or gameplan teams that favour CuneLax/salac sweeper still need consistent ways to remove it. Do not mistake the correlation between usage and viability as stronger than it actually is. Meowscarda down to A because of its fraility and Iron Boulder up to A+ because its the fastest :booster energy: mon in the game and has Swords 210K subscribers in the stunfisk community. Gen 5 ou sun viability! Dec 31, 2024 · Welcome to the National Dex Doubles OU Viability Ranking project, where we rank the viability of Pokemon in DOU. 194K subscribers in the stunfisk community. Feb 8, 2021 · For example, if X is Slowbro, then yes, Slowbro should be in OU. Aug 11, 2020 · IMO Mew's traditional stallbreaker set of IB (sometimes stoss) Wisp Taunt really struggled into the influx of Clef and Reuni the past year. A few months ago there was a discussion around classic OU mons that could potentially fall to UU a la Tyranitar. B Rank -> C Rank The Golem vs. SV OU Viability Rankings Nov 28, 2021 · Nothing is ordered within its rank: S: Latios Scizor Slowbro First two are likely uncontroversial, Latios is the best offensive mon in the tier and Scizor is the best Latios answer as well as the best pivot in general and a key member of the tier's dynamic. r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion for Pokémon VGC, Smogon, and all other battle formats. View the OU Viability Rankings and build from there. gross and ttar seriously threaten frail regice teams. 199K subscribers in the stunfisk community. Nov 21, 2022 · Hello everyone. Oct 17, 2012 · OU Viability Ranking Thread Welcome to the official OU Viability Rankings topic. A defensive team, especially one that does not carry protect, is generally not going to perform as well. you can easily replace it with zam + a threat or two for starmie or something like that. The game is still really new so people are only just getting some baseline guides and sets out. 184K subscribers in the stunfisk community. Apr 21, 2018 · With SPL and the GSC Cup coming to an end and following the successful implementation of McMeghan's approach to updating the RSE OU VR (and vapicuno's methods of analysing this) being successfully adopted for the RBY OU VR, I've conducted a survey of a subset of the GSC playing community and the results are below. i used it on hera / ttar / metagross / aero / magneton type of builds and it always did it's job quite well, getting the dug trap and if not that spreading wow or getting Feb 8, 2021 · Take a moment to read the Introduction to Smogon for a run-down on everything Smogon, and make sure you take some time to read the global rules. Oct 6, 2023 · Welcome to the Doubles OU Viability Ranking project, where we rank the viability of Pokemon in DOU. r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion… However, the doubles OU metagame is completely different from singles OU, and it includes incredibly powerful threats such as chien-pao, chi-yu, all ogerpon forms, and iron hands. Honestly, giving it just Brave Bird and Head Smash would make it at least viable in OU, even without a Mega. Looking back at past viability rankings from 2014-2016, Camerupt was seen as a solid C to C+ tier pokemon, but now it has dropped to D r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion for Pokémon VGC, Smogon, and all other battle formats. Day 1 of insisting that Bellibolt with its slow speed with access to volt switch, and decent bulk with access to static and slack off, and decent SpA with access to parabolic charge and chilling water gives it OU viability and is probably one of the better defensive pivots in the tier. Apr 29, 2021 · The tiering for DPP locked after the gen ended which is why its still listed as OU. SV OU Viability Rankings I'd probably drop some of the UU/RU mons down to "decent" tier. I'm pretty sure it's also banned on PO ladder (under a wholesale Ingrain ban because the whole complex ban is difficult to implement and nobody uses Ingrain outside of Smeargle anyway), so even outside Smogon, where are people still really playing with Ingrain Smeargle? Apr 21, 2018 · People (even really good players and shit) tend to underrate passive damage. " You're encouraged to post your thoughts and opinions on the various Pokemon that are usable in OU and what tier they should fall under. Jan 24, 2024 · SS OU Viability Estimates Art by Merlusa Similar to the Demo Teams thread, this thread aggregates viability rankings from active participants of the metagame to give newcomers a better sense of what is viable in the tier. The floor will always be open to discussion, and after a period of time (roughly every few months), the viability rankings council will vote on any of the Pokemon being discussed and post the results and (sometimes) reasoning here. The drop off from A- and upper B+ to B and below is truly massive. Nov 6, 2024 · the best revenge killer in the tier by far. The issue of banning/keeping sleep should be discussed in a separate thread. In this thread, you're encouraged to post your thoughts and opinions on the various set rankings for each Pokemon. personally, I don’t think i could substantively argue Dec 17, 2017 · Pokémon like Amoonguss Gastrodon and Chansey are all increasing in usage (and viability) and Diancie just kind of suffers as a result. Claiming it outspeeds and one shots the tier and it only spams hypnosis, only for it to be midrai and the seventh best dark type in OU lol Goes to show most opinions are dogshit and we should just test things more lol. 89 votes, 19 comments. 2021 - Poor Khariri actually managed to hit even lower lows 193K subscribers in the stunfisk community. r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion for Pokémon VGC, Smogon… Welcome All Jumpers! This is a Sister subreddit to the makeyourchoice CYOA subreddit. The moderators of this forum are dex , and Slowpoke Fan . Many of the most popular mons in OU right now have at least one set published, and a few UU mons have them too. Movies are our lives! DVD and Blu-ray collectors share pictures of their latest buys and pickups, pictures of their entire collection shelves, we have contests for FREE DVDs, Movie Party nights (watch a movie with 15 strangers), experts give advice and help find the best deals, and more! 21 votes, 16 comments. And, you already listed like 8 gigantamaxes that would be viable. The hazard pressure combined with over reliance on tera to actually attempt to break balance sucks, and the faster pace of balance teams means missing a magma storm punishes you much more dearly than last gen. Nobody's experimenting with it because it suffers from having pitiful STAB options which lead to hit hitting like a wet napkin, that along with a rocks weakness MASSIVE SV OU Viability Rankings Update: Walking Wake, Greninja, PsySpam and H-Zoroark Ranked / Large Rises for Kingambit, Volcarona, Baxcalibur, and Orthworm Jellicent isn't used on rain, that Jirachi set is only used on DragMag teams, and Toxicroak isn't very good in OU by today's standards, which is why it is stuck in C rank on the viability rankings with the likes of Sharpedo, Formless Rotom and Medicham, all of which are things that have one specific niche on very specific times but otherwise Welcome to the official ORAS OU Viability Rankings thread (Ruins of Alph Version v2). a mon who outspeeds iron treads and isnt revenge killed by jugulis, mienshao, tied with sandy shocks and itself is ranked in C while its therian form is ranked in A it feels volt absorb is a big thing but good god you outspeed treads, sandy shocks, and are able to go ham on people who rely on treads Feb 8, 2021 · Its pretty obviously an outlier in terms of Pokèmon currently ranked OU on the viability rankings, being more comparable in terms of viability to Lapras than Slowbro. I had shit like Pert at number 2 and Zap in B rank because that was sorta the way the meta was, but that's obviously wrong now. You would have to put over 400 pokemon in F rank then. Made top 8 of either the last Seasonal, or last Championship (NOT the current one, ie SM OU Summer Seasonal #3 and/or SM OU Global Championships 2022) Of course, feel free to post your own VR on the forums, regardless of you meeting the criteria. You may notice that they are not ranked alphabetically within their own subtiers; that is because every Pokemon is ranked within their subranks too A seems pretty fitting for Sneasler, it has a shitload of competition for a sweeper right now with Valiant, Gambit, Bax, Dnite, Zama, Calm Mind Enam, Agility booster energy walking wake, etc that makes it harder for it to reach the S tier as well as finding it hard to break Gholdengo but you can't really say it belongs anywhere below A because it's still fantastic at what it does. 5 bp and 90% acc making it a big power jump from rock slide and a nice accuracy jump from stone edge. In gen 7 OU, there were 12 megas in OU and that's over 2 generations: we're only in a single generation. r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion for Pokémon VGC, Smogon… 211K subscribers in the stunfisk community. SV OU Viability Rankings 442 votes, 223 comments. r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion… Welcome to the DPP OU Viability Rankings topic. The list would look much different if I were to rank on the basis of overall viability. if you are unsure of how old a sample set is you can always view this post where I cataloge when changes 199K subscribers in the stunfisk community. Even with those mons dipping somewhat, the set is often too much of a liability into certain mons such as Tran or Volc, so it brings a pretty high risk with only mediocre reward. I mentioned that Heatran was more likely to face a hostile meta than Garchomp and was ridiculed for it. UU with OU viability, I could potentially see it being used as a bulky pivot. It was a great switch in to a lot of threats, crippled physical attackers with intimidate, and further threatened them with Will-o-wisp, was great for scouting choice users with protect, and even had solid stab with raging bull and body press. Please spread this far and wide, I can hear the smogon ninjas at my door oh god oh fu Mar 25, 2014 · To Tyranitar's credit, those two Fire-Types rising compared to much of ADV OU's storied past does help it establish more of a metagame presence than it had before, as a Pokémon that can very much win against both the Fire-Types and OU's other Rock-Type, that being Aerodactyl (who doubles as a good entry point for Tyranitar's teammate Skarmory Apr 29, 2021 · I am pretty new to DPP OU, having only played the tour in a few seasonals/global championships, but one observation I wanted to make was that the lower-viability mons seem to be less viable here than in other tiers. Personally only thing I would change is the placements of :meowscarada: and :iron boulder:. It's banned in all official Smogon ADV tournaments, and this is erm, Smogon. As a disclaimer, I am ranking these pokemon not on viability, but by how much they warp the tier around them/how straining and limiting they are in the builder. according to smogon analysis, it is generally outclassed by lax on offensive teams. A mega evolution like Alakazam is simply in a better spot in the current meta, benefiting from Tornadus sets changing in favor of Helmet > AV a lot of the time, as well as being able to deal with would-be Mar 25, 2014 · This is my personal viability ranking. As others have mentioned, Hatterene should move up, too. If X is Gengar, then Slowbro should not remain in OU. The moderators of this forum are emma , Enigami , FriendOfMrGolem120 and Serpi . Cloy is better than Forry, easily. 204K subscribers in the stunfisk community. Aug 11, 2020 · Welcome to Smogon! Fall 2022 BW OU Viability rankings: S: 1. r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, articles, analyses, and competitive… Dec 17, 2017 · Hello, first time contributing to such a discussion, so I should add that I've gotten 1500+ elo on ORAS OU, as well as winning 2 ORAS OU tour nights (I've only gotten into competitive ORAS OU quite recently 2 months ago so I'm not super well decorated yet) The list seems pretty representative, although I personally feel that: A -> A- A Pokemon can be UU, RU, hell even NU or PU and have a Niche in OU. This is what the OU council doesn't want you to see. Thread starter Monai; Start date Aug 11, 2020; Reddit Pinterest Tumblr WhatsApp Email Link. For example, stats from February show Weezing’s usage in BDSP OU at multiple ELOs: ELO, Rank, and Usage rate: gen8bdspou-0: 125th, 0. teams at large. Idk why you're making such a big deal about this. i think its safe to say that the meta is in a pretty wierd spot. psychic ofc ohkos nidos and zam has good matchups against the other grounds as well. It was one of the best Special Walls in BW. Jan 9, 2024 · conversely, i'm not quite sure why these two are still ranked. This thread will be updated whenever I receive VR changes from players New viability rankings for SS OU were just posted. I don’t think it’ll stay in OU but it certainly has its niche as a scarf/band mon, especially with auto crit shenanigans to annoy screens teams. A plethora of Pokemon from lower tiers (as well as plenty of lesser-used Pokemon within the same UU tier) have much higher viability in OU than Quaquaval. this helps it be a glue mon for bulky offensive teams that struggle with Wake, GFire, Pult, HSamu, Blaziken, Darkrai r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion for Pokémon VGC, Smogon, and all other battle formats. Sharpness Stone Axe is also a great physical rock attack even ignoring the setting of rocks though, hitting 97. LinkedIn Reddit Pinterest Tumblr WhatsApp Email Share Link. Currently I'm fairly happy with the viability rankings, so these are also my suggestions as to cutoff points in viability tiers. r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion for Pokémon VGC, Smogon… Random ladder main's opinions. The opportunity cost of not running Cloy or Forry (unlike stealth rock gens where passive damage is better, but you have a billion options to choose from), is no passive damage. Disputes about the decision-making process with respect to tiering in ADV OU, which include feedback with the playerbase, should be discussed in a thread separate from this, and separate from the thread about banning/keeping sleep. We touched on usage not being the sole reason behind viability of anything before, but this is very true here as a lot of things accumulate ladder usage despite not being the best option. Formatting and opening text mostly stolen from McMeghan's ADV thread. Want to contribute? Drop it here on Stunfisk! r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion for Pokémon VGC, Smogon, and all other battle formats. Mar 25, 2014 · Megahorn is a big reason, as it has 120 BP, which is gigantic in this meta, and hits neutrally on Bulky Waters like Swampert. seriously though Smogon (OU primarily) tiering has come so far from back in the day, this level of communication and candidness from the council, and especially finch, is such a treat to be experiencing. Jul 18, 2020 · struggles a bit with the matchups in gen7 ou because mega-lati twins and garchomp as awell as bulky scarf landorus-t are really common, furthermore volcanions typing hinders it to do its job and it is tbh rather slow and therefore very prone to many top-threats in the metagame like gliscor, mega latios, mega latias, garchomp, rotom-wash and tapu fini. Sep 26, 2014 · In this thread, we as a community will decide the viability of each individual set for every Pokemon that's viable in OU. given our limited understanding of the game as a whole, the standard for any tiering action, banning or unbanning, should never be to prove that a metagame element is competitive or not. 110 speed also makes it the 3rd fastest viable Pokemon listed as OU, and it pairs up well with Rain since it makes its Surfs hit harder. With minimum speed it’s able to Under-speed base speed 65 Pokémon like scizor, so spreading status while more safely getting in frailer sweepers/ wallbreakers could work. I would switch the two positions. Check the smogon Twitter for updates on new articles as they're released. Sep 23, 2023 · Hello everyone and welcome to the DLC1 Viability List! We are not yet ready to have the fully-fledged viability rankings up with so many developments happening so quickly, but there is demand for a viability list that people can use as a threat list to use to weigh their options for teambuilding purposes. weavile has been dominant for a long while now and is a controversial topic but it looks like lele is gonna be in the same boat, it looks like Dec 17, 2023 · (Ranked B+) is really underrated right now despite not being an OU pokemon historically. You're encouraged to post your thoughts and opinions on the various Pokemon that are viable in OU and what tier they should fall under. ). r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion… Nov 21, 2022 · Hello everyone. it can trap, with minimal or no chip: bliss, loom, cele, hera, rachi, mag, meta, tar, and other non-ou mons too. (Plus it more or less blows away Gengar and Salamence, two of the most common mons that resist his STAB: Zapdos dies to Rock Slide, Gyarados is annoying but easy to remove and or wear down, no-one uses Weezing (not even ranked lol). Apr 29, 2021 · Clefable and Flygon are definitely OU top tiers ; Quagsire has replaced Milotic as the water of choice for defense. 207K subscribers in the stunfisk community. boom sets are generally best because boom is just a great utility move and lax has the tools to engineer scenarios where it gets what it wants, but you can run lax without boom and its still Aug 11, 2020 · Welcome to Smogon! OU BW OU Viability Ranking, mk. Want to contribute? Drop it here on Stunfisk! Jul 2, 2023 · Being OU by usage alone does not guarantee a ranking. 4. It would definitely be possible, gen 1 isn't completely frozen as UU in that generation came after UU was invented and there tiers are determined by viability ranking and gen 3 has shifted stuff between OU and UUBL to represent meta trends, but for the most part later generations seem to agree that it's just not a big deal to make Snorlax's Jan 11, 2022 · I am curious what capabilities Weezing has that earn it a spot on the VR. Please be encouraged to post your r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion for Pokémon VGC, Smogon, and all other battle formats. I would like to record a snapshot of my thoughts on the tier's Feb 25, 2017 · Welcome to the official ORAS OU Viability Rankings thread (Ruins of Alph Version). Their positive traits are strongly hindered by their negative traits. Heatran cannot keep up with the spikes intensive metagame cutting into its longevity. Meowscarada is an extremely fast and hard hitting knock off abuser since there’s like 5 OU Mons left that learn it. r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion… Feb 8, 2021 · After vapicuno's post, a vote was held between qualified rankers as to if the RBY OU/UU Cutoff was BEFORE "C1" (where Jolteon, Slowbro, and Victreebel would be UU) and AFTER "C1" (where Jolteon, Slowbro, and Victreebel would be OU). Sep 23, 2023 · A few months ago there was a discussion around classic OU mons that could potentially fall to UU a la Tyranitar. tinkaton matches well into weavile, meowscarada and hatterene (and non-setup darkrai) but we aren't particularly lacking in checks to those pokemon and it matches poorly into 247 votes, 94 comments. It was at rank 22 ahead of Terrakion, Volc, Infernape and even Salamence. . Mar 25, 2014 · Triangles 2017 ADV OU Viability Ranking So in about June last year I made my second RSE viability rankings for the post RestTalk meta, and at the time I thought they were pretty good. As some of you may know, the Smogon OU Viability Rankings recently got a new rank-- the E rank: E Rank. 209K subscribers in the stunfisk community. There's a reason it's not a "Viability Ranking" yet and just a "Viability List"--council recognizes the meta is fresh and extremely volatile and a bunch of stuff that is good right now will probably drop (and other stuff will rise) once the meta stabilizes more and some stuff probably gets banned. 178K subscribers in the stunfisk community. r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion for Pokémon VGC, Smogon… Aug 7, 2013 · chansey is definitely fine as it is and it is not as much of a requirement as many silly rby players think it is. Want to contribute? Mar 25, 2014 · this is not really too important but I think hariyama is significantly better than machamp in adv ou and it's probably historically more common in ou as well. r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion… Jul 18, 2020 · Welcome to Smogon! Take a moment to read the Introduction to Smogon for a run-down on everything Smogon, and make sure you take some time to read the global rules . Mar 25, 2014 · I have been using Camerupt recently in ADV OU and it is much better than what most people think. the main way to fight against dug is spikes, but dug spike spin teams are the overall most consistent in adv (they also feature blissey) and dug offenses can often overwhelm spike teams this makes me even more curious to see the next survey results, whenever that is. 19 votes, 13 comments. 211K subscribers in the stunfisk community. Smogon tiers are usage based, so no need to put anything on VR except for ones that have any niche r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion for Pokémon VGC, Smogon, and all other battle formats. I want to build a team on showdown, and I want to start off with choosing my mega. r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, analyses, and competitive discussion… Mar 13, 2023 · Welcome to the third official (first post-DLC 2) SS OU Viability Rankings thread. The setlist needs a lot of work. fubl ckmejx cyj gjuowxtk obbklxbr rpnkrvtkn empl knkzqa qrlqv jhzeg